As we were sitting around the campfire I kind of shared in a heartfelt way that it was something I really believed in. I don't know what he believed in but he didn't believe in the church. He was telling me about his philosophy of life. Basically sharing my faith and testimony with him. On the way down there I was kind of telling him about my conversion experience of reading the Book of Mormon and trying to change my life and be active in the church again. We were sitting around the fire in the evening. We just hung out there and built a campfire. There were some buildings being constructed and stuff. The people that ran the place weren't there. We spent a night at my Aunt Mildred's house and then we found this place in Escalante the next day. But he had an interest in driving down there and checking it out. I don't know exactly how we found out about this some sort of a ranch or commune type thing in southern Utah. So he was looking at possibly moving to somewhere else. Because he was worried maybe Karen would come by and want to take the kids away. It's kind of a spiritual conversion experience, which is that, I think he was nervous about staying there at the house.
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